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hello.. i'm new to the screenprinting malarky and i'm having some trouble getting my prints to work. i'm thinking it might be because i'm creating the transparencies wrongly. i'm using an inkjet printer and transparent acetate. when i expose the screen i can see the image on there but the ink just goes straight through the whole screen. any ideas? :)
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Re: inkjet transparencies?
Wed, March 28, 2007 - 3:16 PMno offense intended but here's my shot at the "is it plugged in?" question: are you blocking the screen with a photosensitive emulsion? -
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Thu, March 29, 2007 - 12:10 AMyes i assure you i am blocking the screen with a photosensitive emulsion. it's speedball diazo. and surely 5 minutes under a 1000W bulb is enough? -
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Thu, March 29, 2007 - 12:18 AMbtw i was wondering if the problem was the actual inkjet transparency - perhaps it's not dense enough. what does everyone else use for creating theirs? -
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Thu, March 29, 2007 - 9:46 AMIf the ink goes through everywhere, then that means the emulsion isn't getting the UV it needs to cure, so chase down that trail first. A thin negative would mean the dark areas are getting exposed, and not washing out like they should, but you're experiencing the opposite.
Are you using a piece of glass to press the negative onto the Screen? It might have a UV filter coating on it. Same goes for the acetate. If it's treated with anything to block UV, then the whole negative is going to act like a pair of sunglasses, and not let anything get exposed.
Some light bulbs also have a UV coating on them. Have you tried a sun exposure yet?
Also, if the emulsion requires a sensitizer, just double check your ratios, and maybe give it a good stir, then let it sit to degass a bit.
Those are the first thoughts I've got. -
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Re: inkjet transparencies?
Thu, March 29, 2007 - 11:23 AMyes, i've been using the glass to press the transparency and screen together while they're being exposed. do you think a halogen bulb doesn't give off enough UV? unfortunately i can't try the sun as i'm in the UK and the weather is really shitty at the moment.
re UV coatings... the acetate was just bought in a stationery shop and says nothing on its packaging about a coating - i presume it would if it had it? the glass was bought from a glazier and i just asked for the cheapest plate glass they had.. so i don't think the glass will have it either. re the bulb - it was supplied by a silkscreening equipment company so seems unlikely that it would have the UV coating on it.
the sensitizer came in a kit and was in the correct ratios already so i simply put it in the emulsion pot with a bit of water and shook it for a while. is there a way to spoil the emulsion in some way e.g. have the lid off too long or something? maybe i'm putting bad emulsion on each time? eughhh. :'(
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Sun, April 8, 2007 - 2:46 PMi used inkjet transparencies for awhile, and they were plenty dark enough. i thought id save myself the $5 apiece i was spending on pro positives and just go inkjet, until one day, i put a new cartridge in my printer, and suddenly it was way too light. i had to start printing two, aligning them and taping them together with that crystalclear acetate tape in order to get them dark enough for exposure. i dont know whether they changed the formula of the ink or i was just using an old cartridge in which the ink had thickened over time or something, but ive tried every brand of cartidge and refill i could, nothing works the same as it did initially.
another thing to consider, ive never found the industrial emulsion to work as well with low-powered lights. i developed a homebrew emulsion that works well exposed for 20-25 minutes under a 500 watt bulb. i posted the instructions in this thread a while ago:
diyscreenprint.tribe.net/threa...fd92ec
hope this is helpful, good luck in the meanwhile.
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Re: inkjet transparencies?
Wed, March 28, 2007 - 3:53 PMSounds like the exposure time isn't long enough -
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Re: inkjet transparencies?
Thu, March 29, 2007 - 11:21 AMIt could be that the transparency is not dark enough. I often make two identical transparencies and line them up..(taped together so they don't slip)..to ensure that the image is opaque enough..
But it might also be that the exposure time isn't long enough. -
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Thu, March 29, 2007 - 11:22 AMWhat is the distance of your bulb from the screen? -
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Thu, March 29, 2007 - 11:24 AMabout a foot and a half.
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Thu, March 29, 2007 - 11:25 AMit was printed from photoshop onto acetate from an inkjet printer and has no halftones - it looks quite good but who am i to judge... :P
have tried exposure times at 3 mins, 5 mins and 10mins on a 1000W halogen bulb. -
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Re: inkjet transparencies?
Thu, March 29, 2007 - 11:36 AMThe emulsion, once mixed, will go bad in a matter of weeks, faster if it's too warm or exposed to light. Unmixed it will last for years. It may be that your emulsion has expired.
BTW, even though you've got cloudcover in the UK, you still get UV, it's not impossible, merely time consuming... :)
BTW, the symptoms that your transparencies aren't *dark* enough are that the dark areas of your positive let light through, hardening your emulsion and *not* allowing ink to go through. Since you're describing the emulsion not hardening anywhere, you've got a different problem entirely.
Now, it could be that once you tackle the emulsion problem, and it does start to cure, you may discover that your negatives are too light, but that will only reveal itself further down the road. You've got to get some hardening first, before the next problems of overexposure and blocked areas will present themselves. Tackle the exposure problems first. -
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Thu, March 29, 2007 - 1:30 PMyou are very wise. :)
well i only mixed the emulsion and the goo about a week ago. perhaps i put too much water in it.
a couple of times i've got a light impression of the image, which reveals itself when i start to rinse, but it's not enough for the print to work properly. should i see an impression of the image immediately after exposure if it's working? -
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Thu, March 29, 2007 - 3:14 PMIf it's a true Diazo, there should be some kind of color difference in the exposed vs. unexposed areas (purple to blue or green, for example) that you can see even before you wash the screen.
I'm having a tough time finding some that are meant to be indicators for you, but they are out there. I'm not personally familiar with Speedball's emulsions, but I know that Ulano produces some good products. You might try the RLX or TX lines.
You might also want to run an exposure test. If you don't have an extra screen, smear some emulsion on a scrap of cheescloth or gauze, and do the penny test. Place ten pennies on the cloth, expose it for 2 minutes, remove one penny. Keep doing that until you're down to the last penny. After 20 minutes, your emulsion should be exposed around all the pennies, and after you rinse, you can count the rings to give you an idea on where the exposure time really is.
The first penny you removed had 18 minutes, the last penny had no exposure. Work your way down from the first penny removed. At what point did the stencil start to wash out. 18 minutes? 16 minutes?
If none of it hardened, than it's either the emulsion or your light. -
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Fri, March 30, 2007 - 12:30 AMwell the emulsion goes on a sort of blue-green colour and i just leave it until it's dry to the touch. it doesn't really change colour, maybe darken a bit.
i will try and do the test when my motivation has been renewed. :) i'll keep you posted. thank you for such supportive advice.
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Sat, March 31, 2007 - 5:37 AMi tried exposing the screen in the sunlight today, left it for 5 minutes. when i picked the screen up i couldn't see anything on the emulsion, but as i started to rinse it the pattern came through softly. however as i rinsed, the rest of the emulsion came out too. what do you think? emulsion or light? -
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Re: inkjet transparencies?
Sun, April 1, 2007 - 3:46 PMBoth? :)
It sounds like longer exposure would have worked well, but the emulsion could be at fault, too.
Try the penny test, 5 minutes as opposed to two per penny, and see if it *ever* hardens up. If it doesn't, I'd say toss the batch and begin again.
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Thu, March 29, 2007 - 5:43 PM1000w bulb might be too much. try using coins or business card to do a test burn. That will at least give you and idea if the transparency is to thin. I have 40w florescent bulb and it take 2.5min to expose. I've also used 500w halogen at around 4 min exposure. It might be a 30sec to a 1 min exposure.
If you need to thinking up your transparency, print to and double them up when you expose.
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Fri, April 6, 2007 - 9:48 PMI've actually had a couple of things like this happen to me. it sounds like you aren't exposing it long enough, and also diazo emulsion might require a certain kind of light (I think I read that somewhere). I use photocure txr emulsion, you don't have to mix it, it's actually pretty cheap, and the exposure time is usually less. also, sometimes if you put the emulsion on thicker the side of the screen clesest to the light exposes first, and the other side doesn't. when you wash the image out you actually wash ou the emulsion on the other side of the screen, and the emulsion wants to come off the other side. Most high wattage lights like that do have a coating on the glass to block uv light so that it isn't quite harmfull to your skin and eyes, so no matter how bright it is, the uv light might be blocked. do some research to see if that's the case. -
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Wed, April 11, 2007 - 3:58 AMthat's helpful... thank you... i'll do some more tests. :) is the emulsion you mention available in the UK? -
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Thu, April 19, 2007 - 3:20 PMEm, as I was grabbing my Halogen lamp to prep for my first home burn, I saw stamped right across the Glass "UV Filter". If your lamp has a lens housing with a piece of glass, it may be that it is treated to block UV, in order to not bake the poor shmuck working in front of it... :)
*PLEASE* note that you do not ever want to touch the glass with fingers, even when cold, as any oil on your fingers causes uneven heating on the bulb, and can cause your bulb to bulge and explode (watched that once when we changed the bulb on a process Camera, scary shit... :)
The Moral:
Take the glass off for your exposure, and put it back on when you're done. Stay out of the line of fire... :) -
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Sat, April 21, 2007 - 1:24 AMThanks for the advice!!
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Tue, May 8, 2007 - 11:58 AMEm, assuming that your emulsion is okay, i.e. fresh, mixed and stored correctly, I am positive that you are not getting enough UV light to your emulsion. The Quartz Halogen bulb produces very little UV spectral light and is mainly used as a work light. If yours has a glass covering the lamp itself, the glass is most likely coated with a UV inhibitor to keep the workers from getting sunburned! Remove the glass and you will get some UV light, but even then it will take anywhere from 6 to 12 minutes to expose diazo emulsion on a 110 mesh from about 24 inches.
Also, all bulbs weaken over time. If your bulb has weakened from use (it may be new to you, but still quite old) it may need to be replaced.
An important thing to remember that it is not the opaqueness of your film positive that you should be overly concerned with, but the clearness of the film through which the light must pass and harden the emulsion and the UV intensity of the lamp. The shorter the exposure time the less chance of the light passing through the opaque areas.
Speedball products are fine for hobbyists and students but are not used by professionals. The oldest emulsion company is Ulano, which was purchased a few years ago by the largest emulsion manufacturer, KIWO of Germany. Ulano products are sold in England by Coates Screen Supplies in Leicestershire (phone +44 0 1530 275020) www.coates.com. Coates stocks many professional lines of supplies. You can find other dealers at htttp://ulano.com or at kiwo.com online.
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Bill Hood
School of Screenprinting
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